The Lowly Child-Care Worker

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From the Wall Street Journal Jan 5, 2010 By Sue Shellenbarger


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Most talk of child-care costs focuses on how much families have to pay — a tab that for many parents rivals the cost of the mortgage or groceries. Since 2000, child-care costs have been rising twice as fast as families’ median income and the average cost that parents paid for full-time care for a 4-year-old child in a center ranged from more than $4,050 in Mississippi to more than $13,150 a year in Massachusetts.


But a new survey reported in today’s WSJ underscores another harsh truth about child care – that it is also a costly and demanding profession for workers to enter. In a study comparing 200 occupations based on income, working environment, stress, physical demands and the job outlook, child-care workers rank in the lowly 186th spot — barely higher than taxi drivers, roofers and roustabouts. (My own profession, newspaper reporter, ranked even lower – at 188.) The study by CareerCast.com is based on data from the Labor Department and the Census Bureau, plus the researchers’ own expertise. The category, “child-care workers,” covers both day-care employees and nannies, essentially anyone who gets paid to care for infants and toddlers when parents are working or are otherwise unable to do so themselves.


The economics of child care have long been out of whack. Amid an absence of the government subsidies offered by some European nations, few U.S. parents can afford to pay the full cost of high-quality child care. This forces child-care centers to survive partly by cutting labor costs, driving trained, educated, skilled people to abandon the field.


Child-care center directors’ median annual pay is only $34,233, according to Payscale.com, and child-care workers themselves make only $23,437, barely exceeding the federal poverty threshold for a family of four. The mean hourly wage for child-care workers is $9.73 an hour, falling short of coatroom attendants and short-order cooks, and barely outpacing dishwashers and burger flippers, say child-care advocacy groups such as the Center for the Child care Workforce.


Yet numerous studies have shown that the core ingredient of high-quality child care is a child’s relationship with his or her teacher, a factor that is linked to higher teacher training and education. Higher pay tends to draw better trained, better educated teachers.


Advocacy groups say higher pay and bonuses for child-care workers are needed to keep good teachers. They argue that investing in child-care workers would yield a big long-term payoff in the form of better-adjusted, higher-achieving children. One Boston nonprofit says student loan forgiveness, tax credits and bonuses funded by public-private partnerships could help keep good child-care workers in the field. State-funded child-care workers in Michigan voted to form a union.


Opponents, however, say working in child care bears its own intrinsic rewards, and that neither parents nor their employers can afford to subsidize pay raises for child-care staff, with care already so costly.


Readers, do you think child-care workers should be paid higher wages, or would it take too much of a hit out of your pocket?  Would you ever want to be a child-care worker?


 

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      • 3:19 pm January 5, 2011

      • ratgirlny wrote:



    • This is a huge issue, and something that I have often thought about. Basically, the ability of women to have high powered careers and children at the same time has been facilitated by lowcost support workers. And while it may not matter so much with the person who cleans the house, it matters a lot when it is the person who takes care of your children.

      I have always put my kids in daycare, and one of the big reasons is that overall, the quality and education of the teachers is higher than what I find with babysitters. And yet the pay is so still so low. There is always a problem with turnover. At the daycare where my older two went, it was common for teachers to work there for a couple of years, and then bolt to the K12 system where the pay was about double. The teachers who lasted longer tended to be women who had gone back to school for early childhood ed degrees, and who had husbands with high powered careers - so they liked having a job that gave them lots of free time. This is especially true at the Montessori school where my daughter goes. Virtually all of the teachers are there because the hours are good, there isn’t much stress, and they like small kids. Their husbands basically support them. I honestly think those are the only people you can get in childcare positions who are going to be longterm and stable.


      • 3:25 pm January 5, 2011

      • Allboys wrote:



    • Many parents pay a higher hourly wage to their housecleaners than to their nannies. Actions speak louder than the words dutifully reported in a survey. And let’s be honest — in a society in which plenty of well-educated women are not interested in spending their days caring for their OWN children, how on earth do you expect that a few more dollars an hour will convince many of their educated sisters to spend their days caring for OTHER PEOPLE’S kids?


      • 3:30 pm January 5, 2011

      • West Coast Engineer wrote:



    • I concur with ratgirlny. Throughout history, an elite have relied on hoi polloi (Greek for “the common people”) to do the scutwork, and childcare is scutwork. The economics of childcare don’t work. As discussed yesterday, due to taxes and overhead, you have to earn double the salary of the person you are paying to hire someone else to do something. Thus, childcare can never be a decent paying field.

      If tthe government steps in, standards will decline even further. In my state, a single childcare worker can care for 8 (I think) five year olds, but a kindergarten teacher can have 30+ five year olds in a class, because childcare is funded by parents. The government is not willing or able to fund an 8:1 ratio in public schools, but is willing to legislate it for the same age children in childcare.


      • 3:36 pm January 5, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • Allboys is correct, as usual. It’s a bit hopeful and naive to say “Well, I need more intellectual stimulation than a newborn provides” and then demand intellectual and stimulating people to care for your newborn in your place. Housecleaners often get paid more than nannies because they work harder, and usually for shorter, more intense durations. Scrubbing caked-on urine from the rim of a commode ought to command more money than sitting on a bench in Central Park, chatting on your cell phone, mindlessly pushing a stroller six inches in each direction.


      • 3:44 pm January 5, 2011

      • frequent lurker wrote:



    • Sorry-but pay relates to demand and supply. Supply is driven by availabitliy of skills. Since we are all of the same race it does not take a lot of skill and training to learn to look after our young-no matter the billion $ child rearing fear mongering industry would have you believe.

      So its never going to be a very highly paid occupation because at certain levels of pay hordes of people would be wiling to do it-creating a glut and reducing pay.


      • 3:45 pm January 5, 2011

      • no wrote:



    • I am a retired attorney and I truly enjoyed volunteering with my daughter at her nursery school at a nearby church-I had to quit due to chronic bronchitis-the little ones-especially the ones with older sibilings- are germ factories. But when I was able to do it, I saw it as a ‘pay it forward’ effort. Plus many of them are just adorable. The Montessori preschool at the Lutheran church near my home office was a true blessing when my children were small.

      Note to Moms: don’t be curt or snippy with the child care workers-they are caring for your most precious blessings; pay the fees early even-most of the schools run on a very thin profit margin.


      • 3:51 pm January 5, 2011

      • ratgirlny wrote:



    • Everyone so far seems to think that caring for small kids is intellectually demeaning. Granted, jiggling a 4 month old may not be so exciting, but that age category doesn’t last for long. Personally, I think caring for the 2 to 5 year old set is, while not Nobel-level research, a lot more intellectually stimulating than, say, healthcare IT. The conversation is at a higher level too. I would love to do early childhood ed, but the only way to make it work financially is to get a public school kindergarten position in a wealthy district in Westchester - and those positions are HARD to get.


      • 4:03 pm January 5, 2011

      • Honolulu mother wrote:



    • @ ratgirlny Personally, I think caring for the 2 to 5 year old set is, while not Nobel-level research, a lot more intellectually stimulating than, say, healthcare IT. The conversation is at a higher level too.

      Your kids must tell a lot fewer poop jokes than mine do.


      • 4:06 pm January 5, 2011

      • ratgirlny wrote:



    • They tell poop jokes, just fewer than my cube neighbors at the healthcare IT company.


      • 4:12 pm January 5, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • A good French-speaking nanny can earn over $50,000 per year:

      NYC family seeks a French speaking Nanny/Personal Assistant. Bachelor Degree required & Must be Legal to work in the US (Citizen or Green Card)- We do not sponsor.

      Must be fluent in French & English. Minimum 3-5 years experience working as a Nanny. Duties: General Childcare & Teaching children.

      Strong computer skills and Personal Assistant duties required.

      Schedule: Monday –Friday 8am-6pm – Salary $900-$1,100/week DOE.

      Please send a professional resume with prior childcare experience as a Microsoft Word Attachment.

      http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/etc/2100388461.html


      • 4:15 pm January 5, 2011

      • Anonymous wrote:



    • “Scrubbing caked-on urine from the rim of a commode ought to command more money than sitting on a bench in Central Park, chatting on your cell phone, mindlessly pushing a stroller six inches in each direction.”

      Meh - I think childcare is pretty labor-intensive. Also, what is more important than who takes care of your child? We pay our nanny pretty well and she deserves it. I don’t know what our daughter’s nursery school pays the staff, but I think they work awfully hard, too.


      • 4:16 pm January 5, 2011

      • Anonymous wrote:



    • “Tucker wrote:

      .A good French-speaking nanny can earn over $50,000 per year:

      NYC family seeks a French speaking Nanny/Personal Assistant. Bachelor Degree required & Must be Legal to work in the US (Citizen or Green Card)- We do not sponsor.

      Must be fluent in French & English. Minimum 3-5 years experience working as a Nanny. Duties: General Childcare & Teaching children.

      Strong computer skills and Personal Assistant duties required.

      Schedule: Monday –Friday 8am-6pm – Salary $900-$1,100/week DOE.

      Please send a professional resume with prior childcare experience as a Microsoft Word Attachment. ”

      Am I alone in thinking $50,000 isn’t all that much money for the work involved? Childcare, teaching, and personal assistance?


      • 4:21 pm January 5, 2011

      • ratgirlny wrote:



    • Tucker - that is not the norm of nannies in this area. Most of the nannies I used to see when I was working PT and could hang out in playgrounds and kiddie classes were Jamaican twenty-somethings who were seemingly more interested in their elaborate nail polish designs than in the kids, or older Spanish speaking ladies who huddled in a corner and gossiped with each other.


      • 4:31 pm January 5, 2011

      • Anonymous wrote:



    • My mom always worked, and the lady who took care of me from the age of 6 mos to 6 years, cleaned the house, did the grocery shopping and laundry, and prepared my dinner, was not expected to provide me with one iota of intellectual stimulation or creative play. Her job was to keep house and keep me safe, which apparently she did effectively. And, as I remarked on a thread yesterday, she made the equivalent of $4.00/hr in today’s wages. If you add in some of the extra stuff my mom paid for, maybe the salary was the equivalent of $9,000/year - just above the poverty line for a single person.


      • 4:32 pm January 5, 2011

      • Portia wrote:



    • 4:31 was me, of course, and the era was the 50s.


      • 4:49 pm January 5, 2011

      • Ellen Griswold to ratgirl and Honolulu wrote:



    • Y’all are hilarious!


      • 5:13 pm January 5, 2011

      • Anonymous wrote:



    • whatever, elitists…


      • 5:18 pm January 5, 2011

      • A son wrote:



    • who were seemingly more interested in their elaborate nail polish designs than in the kids, or older Spanish speaking ladies who huddled in a corner and gossiped with each other.

      I’d assume in the 70’s and certainly in the 50s’ your typical SAHM didn’t spend hours a day on the floor engaging their child in intellectually stimulative and enriching play?


      • 5:22 pm January 5, 2011

      • ellieandtheboys wrote:



    • This is an interesting question. You get what you pay for and low pay attracts lower skilled workers for those who are relying on what they earn as their sole source of income. However, I think the idea that childcare is easy, even for a baby, is misguided. A fussy 3 month old can put someone who doesn’t have the experience or training to handle that situation over the edge pretty quickly. The older the kids get the more intellectually challenging it becomes. If you are talking about in-home childcare there is the added complexity of having to navigate the intimacy of someone else’s house, food, family values, etc. In our area, child care workers, especially live-in nannies, earn well above the norms stated in the article. However, they still aren’t earning a lot.


      • 5:29 pm January 5, 2011

      • westchestermom wrote:



    • I’ve been around the last few months to observe the moms and the nannies in my corner of westchester and it seems to be a very different experience vs. what ratgirl observed. I see the older spanish women at pick up and classes and they are usually taking care of one or two younger siblings. They are not on their phones or talking to each other. It is always the moms that are on the phones or talking. I observed three moms yesterday at tennis ignoring their kids on the court and they were discussing nail polish colors. One is a famous doctor, the other runs a hedge fund and the third is in finance. They didn’t look at their kids playing for a minute. When I saw moms with their kids during the break last week - they took every opportunity to speak to their friends and let their kids play on their own.

      to generalize that every babysitter is on the phone or talkiing about polish and ignoring the kids - I don’t agree and I have not observed this in the last few months. I do see moms on the phone or talking to their friends when the kid is screaming for attention.


      • 6:11 pm January 5, 2011

      • Anonymous wrote:



    • Most of the SAHMs I knew in the 70s watched soap operas and then their kids would come home and watch GH and Edge of Night with them until they did some homework and ate a TV dinner. It isn’t like people would imagine with some leave it to beaver type mom.


      • 6:34 pm January 5, 2011

      • ratgirlny wrote:



    • I agree that there are a lot of moms on cellphones at the playground. But they aren’t being paid to be a childcare specialist. And it wasn’t just playgrounds, it was everywhere. I used to go to our town playgroup (a big vast indoor space where moms, kids, and caregivers could play on lots of donated toys). I always noticed the divisions - the upper class, usually older moms, down on the mats playing with their kids. The central American nannies in one corner, talking to each other. The young moms (there are lots in our town) gossiping in another corner. And the Jamaican nannies on their cellphones. Yes, it is debateable whether any of this matters, and certainly lots of moms in the 60’s were ignoring their kids. But if I am going to pay half my salary or more to a caregiver, I want someone who is actually going to do their job. When I go to my kids childcare facility, I always, no matter what time of day, see caregivers down on the floor doing things with the kids. They don’t allow cellphones at all. There is a lot more engagement. If I am going to pay the kind of money that it costs for childcare, I want that kind of engaged care.


      • 7:06 pm January 5, 2011

      • Laura wrote:



    • This was a major reason I stayed home with my kids — as a high school teacher, I couldn’t afford to pay what I thought would be necessary for the quality of childcare I wanted.

      When I went back to part-time work, I “solved” the problem by finding college-educated (and above) trusted SAHM friends who cared for my kids along with their own — they were willing to accept the wage I could offer because it allowed them to be home with their own children while still earning something. Right now, my friend watches my 2-year-old two days a week, and I watch her child one day a week as a swap and pay her for the other day. I’ve also had good luck with part-time sitters hiring teachers for late afternoons/weekends, as well as graduate students — all of whom have been extremely well-qualified and willing to work for the standard sitter rate (around here it’s $12-15 an hour for one or two children respectively) because a) they like kids, and b) it fits the hours they have available. I’m lucky that my job is extremely flexible, so I have actually altered my schedule to fit the sitters I like!

      But these options are unlikely to work for most full-time workers. And frankly I’m not paying for benefits or anything else that I would have to if any of them worked more than a few hours a week for us. It is NOT a sustainable career choice for someone who is a primary wage-earner for their family.

      I think this is a clear “common good” area for government intervention and subsidies, that the market will not solve on its own. We manage to pay public school teachers a living wage (though much less than we should be paid given our qualifications and importance, but that’s another story…) — can’t we extend that same bare minimum to teachers of our youngest and most vulnerable citizens?


      • 7:47 pm January 5, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • “can’t we extend that same bare minimum to teachers of our youngest and most vulnerable citizens?”

      You haven’t seen much news about state budgets recently, I suppose.

      “Am I alone in thinking $50,000 isn’t all that much money for the work involved? Childcare, teaching, and personal assistance?”

      I guess it depends on the demands. In any case, it’s 8-6, five days per week–they can only fit so much teaching and assisting into that. Plenty of bi-lingual college grads could do far worse right now.

      “was not expected to provide me with one iota of intellectual stimulation or creative play.”

      In any case, it doesn’t seem to have stunted your intellectual development.


      • 8:05 pm January 5, 2011

      • Allboys wrote:



    • “I agree that there are a lot of moms on cellphones at the playground. But they aren’t being paid to be a childcare specialist.”

      But aren’t the nannies (can’t bring myself to call them “childcare specialists”) being paid to do what mom would do with the kids? Not to defend the moms who are constantly ignoring their kids, but if it’s OK for mom to take a call at the playground, why is it NOT Ok for the nanny to do the same? And while it’s great that the older, upper-class moms are down on the mats playing with the kids, there is something to be said for just letting the kids play while the moms and nannies get a chance for a few minutes of adult conversation. Every minute with the kids doesn’t have to be a teaching moment.


      • 1:31 am January 6, 2011

      • katehall wrote:



    • As a general rule, if you can shave at least a half point off your current interest rate, it is a good idea to refinance. If you currently have a home mortgage above 7%, the time is now to make a change. Look online for “123 Mortgage Refinance” they gave me the lowest rate than everybody else which is 3.21%.


      • 7:59 am January 6, 2011

      • Moxiemom wrote:



    • I love my kids, I love being home for them, I love their friends, but I would not take care of their friends all day, every day for $10 an hour. Caring for small children is a sisyphean task that requires a great deal of patience and creativity to do well. If we pay the people who care for our children the value of their services the irony is that few could afford it. I’m not an economist, but I’m wondering how much economic sense it makes to subsidize day care providers who would then be making about what many of the mother’s make - why not subsidize parents caring for their children and provide job training and incentives to employers to hire parents when their children reach school age? I’m sure Tucker, Ellie or A Son will find all the economic flaws in my suggestion; I welcome the opportunity to expand my knowledge base.


      • 8:51 am January 6, 2011

      • SWVA Mom wrote:



    • Thank you to Allboys for making the point that it’s OK for kids to just play by themseleves and with each other. As the parent of an only child who tends toward always wanting someone to play with her right now, I take advantage of every opportuity to get her with other kids to just play. Last week, while her high-quality daycare/preschool center was closed, I took her to Romp ‘n’ Roll twice for a 3-hour camp (free play time, games & crafts) and managed to get some work done on my laptop in the lobby - probably more productive than if I had come in to the office. It was so much better than if I had tried to work at home where she would have either bugged me to play with her or I would have resorted to parking her in front of the TV if something really had to get done. I agree that we need to pay daycare teachers and nannies what they are worth, which is why I recently moved my child to a more expensive center, one of the best available in my small town. It costs about $100/month more than our old school, but I feel that the better-paid, well-educated staff and other benefits are worth even more than that so I’m getting a deal.


      • 8:53 am January 6, 2011

      • Anonymous wrote:



    • “But aren’t the nannies (can’t bring myself to call them “childcare specialists”) being paid to do what mom would do with the kids? Not to defend the moms who are constantly ignoring their kids, but if it’s OK for mom to take a call at the playground, why is it NOT Ok for the nanny to do the same?”

      I pay a housecleaner precisely because she can clean my toilets better than I can - why not extend that to playing on the playground?


      • 9:01 am January 6, 2011

      • red shoe mama wrote:



    • I don’t get why it is a bad thing to gossip with friends and/or talk on your cell phone while kids are playing with each other. I like to play on the floor with my kids. A little. Not 10 hours a day. So, when they play with each other or with friends, I don’t hover over them. I go sit on a bench and chat with other adults at the park. About nail polish sometimes even.

      Regarding the topic, I agree childcare workers are underpaid. Even here in Massachusetts, but I don’t have a burning need for my infant or toddler to be cared for by someone with an advanced degree in childhood education. My children are in day care and the center director and lead teachers have the degrees and certification, but the rest of the teachers have little or no formal training. Since most of their day involves wiping noses (and bottoms) and refereeing fights over the blue Thomas train, I feel like that is about the right level of academic training. More important to me is that our daycare is filled with warm-hearted, kind women who my children run in and kiss every morning.


      • 9:05 am January 6, 2011

      • ellieand theboys wrote:



    • Moxiemom — I think that your suggestion would result in a viciously expensive and tough to administer entitlement. Who decides what the “right” price is for childcare? How do you think about people caring for an elderly parent or handicapped sibling? Those situations can create a significant economic drain for the caregiver, similar to caring for a young child. How do you adjust for geography and income? Though the consequences for people with less resources are not ideal, it is an issue of supply and demand. The more skilled and experienced the person and the higher the demand, the more that person can earn. In our area, the demand for skilled childcare is high with a limited number of people who meet the criteria, so those like my nanny earn at the top end of the industry. I would bet the same is true for workers in the high quality daycare centers where the waiting lists are long. The same logic holds for teachers. In situations where the cost becomes too high people find alternative ways to care for their kids through family members, friends, neighbors, etc. The alternative is substantially higher taxes that benefit only a portion of the population.


      • 9:06 am January 6, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • I’m no economist, Moxie, I just make it all up as I go, literally. I agree with you. It’s nice to say “We should subsidize daycare” only if you ignore the fact that one family’s tax subsidy is another’s increased burden–now or later. Public education is certainly a noble, Jeffersonian ideal, but public education need not start any earlier than five years old. Despite the fact that many modern-day parents prefer the euphemistically-named “pre-school” in place of day care (even for the pre-crawling age set), it’s still day care.

      If the taxpayer needs to subsidize paid childcare for dual-income parents, then those families who have chosen to have a parent stay home with the children ought to receive equal compensation for their unpaid labor.


      • 9:13 am January 6, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • “I pay a housecleaner precisely because she can clean my toilets better than I can - why not extend that to playing on the playground?”

      Well, extending that all the way out would mean that one ought to never interact with one’s children, as long as the financial resources were available to employ a better playmate, teacher, counselor, coach, friend, moral advisor, vacation sponsor, and so forth. I guess some people still feel that intra-family love, affection, and devotion carry an inherent value beyond what can be measured in education degrees and current labor rates.


      • 9:15 am January 6, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • “If you currently have a home mortgage above 7%”

      Nobody here has a home mortgage above 7%.


      • 9:23 am January 6, 2011

      • Allboys wrote:



    • “I pay a housecleaner precisely because she can clean my toilets better than I can - why not extend that to playing on the playground?”

      Well, I’m not convinced that most housecleaners are “better’ than their clients at cleaning chores — they are simply willing to do unpleasant work relatively cheaply. If all of the housecleaners in your community formed a union and demanded $30 an hour, you and your neighbors would soon develop superb cleaning skills.

      But, taking your word here, are you suggesting that you are hiring a nanny because she is “better” than you at caring for your own child?


      • 9:25 am January 6, 2011

      • MBT wrote:



    • How would you determine compensation for the SAHP? If you’re a well-educated former professional, who reads all the current literature on child-rearing and spends all day on the floor in active, engrossing play, do you earn the same as the 17 yr old high school dropout who ignores the kid all day so she can watch Maury?

      I have a SAHM friend who tried to buy disability insurance, because with 4 kids, it would be a big financial hit if something happened to her. That particular insurance product doesn’t exist, because of the difficult in valuing the work of the SAHP.

      I am not in favor of subsidizing childcare for anyone, but subsidizing it at a school (or day-care) at least provides a tangible service that you can see and evaluate. Subsidizing someone to stay home allows no evaluation of the quality you are getting for your money, and as we all see by reading the news, there are clearly some homes where the best possible outcome for the child is to spend as many waking hours away from the parents as humanly possible.


      • 9:32 am January 6, 2011

      • Allboys wrote:



    • So forget about subsidies and “paying” parents to care for their own children. Just increase the personal exemption for children and let each family make its own decision whether to pay others to provide child care.


      • 9:34 am January 6, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • My suggestion of using tax dollars to compensate SAHP’s was only to make a point, not literal. Swiftian, maybe.


      • 9:35 am January 6, 2011

      • L wrote:



    • Tucker, we should all compare mortgage rates. :) I am always wondering how big of a difference jumbo vs. non-jumbo makes.

      Our nanny doesn’t make much - I think about 29K/year gross (16.50/hr). We pay her on the books (this is VERY rare, she was the only person we found who was willing to be paid on the books). She plays with the kids and is warmhearted, kind, and affectionate. She is neither smart nor well-educated - I would describe her as lower-class - she never finished HS and uses words like “ain’t”, and is a little bit lazy. But she is really good with our kids, who are little. I think when our youngest goes to kindergarten we will switch to some kind of aftercare, or I will tweak my hours to pick them up after school, etc., but for now it works.

      I do often want to stay home with the kids, but I make quite a bit and also carry all the health insurance for our family, so it wouldn’t work economically for me to stay home. I hope that when they are in school I can cut back to half-time or so, enough to keep my hand in but also run the household more effectively than I feel like I’m doing now.


      • 9:37 am January 6, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • “increase the personal exemption for children”

      Law of unintended consequences? -

      http://www.ncregister.com/images/uploads/duggar_family_photo.png


      • 9:42 am January 6, 2011

      • Anonymous wrote:



    • I just know this is going to decend again into “Women and children are always happiest and most successful when the moms stay home to spend every minute attending to the children’s wants and needs.”

      But I’ll bite.

      If government was responsible for daycares, the standards would decrease due to funding. Then you’ll get too many people screaming nothing is good enough for their kids but won’t put out the extra money themselves; they’ll demand higher taxes so someone else pays for the increased benefits for their kids, and the evil cycle continues. If you want it, and have the means to pay for it, then you should put up or shut up.

      Unfortunately, it’s the people who need it but can’t afford it who are the true victims, and while there are plenty of people who “need” things because of their own foolishness, not everyone in need is lazy, stupid, or just getting what they deserve. If they don’t have the good fortune to get trustworthy and quality assistance, they are forced to resort to options that can and often have negative repurcussions for their children. I love the daycare we use. It’s a benefit for the employees who work at that senior center with occasional openings to the public (like our family) when there are open slots. So it’s very small, safe, and very well-run. Those women are fantastic, like extended family at this point, and we treat them as such. Again, as a benefit for the employees of the senior center, there are some children there while their parents work the administration or whatever other white-color jobs, but there are also several who are there while their moms are cleaning the various rooms. Those children get the same high quality care as the children from the families paying full fare.

      Not everyone has the same opportunities, but instead of being smug about being able to make the “better” decisions and judging others, we should do what we can to *support* others to make the best decisions for themselves. I can’t afford a cleaner after my childcare, etc, but I also won’t judge the family that pays their cleaner more than their childcare because I don’t know the market forces around that family. I despise forcing people into decisions, even under the guise of knowing what is best for them, so I feel that after a point, you have to let people screw up so they can learn for themselves.


      • 9:55 am January 6, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • “I am always wondering how big of a difference jumbo vs. non-jumbo makes.”

      You’re an estate lawyer, right?

      They seem to have creeped up a bit, but here’s 4.875 vs 4.625 on a 30-year fixed, assuming points.

      https://www.navyfederal.org/products-services/loans/mortgage/mortgage-rates.php


      • 10:04 am January 6, 2011

      • L wrote:



    • Tucker, I don’t keep track of those rates. Not typical for our clients. ;) I mean in the real world, eg is it regional (I think it is), does it depend on *how* jumbo your mortgage is, etc etc.

      The loans that I have seen are about a 1% difference - that is with no points.


      • 10:07 am January 6, 2011

      • Tucker wrote:



    • L,

      Are those bad rates? I haven’t kept up. What options are available to your clients that are not before the general public?


      • 11:15 am January 6, 2011

      • Crunchy wrote:



    • I’ve posted on here before about our long-time nanny. She did not fit any stereotypes: she was a college-graduate, english-speaking, a legal citizen. She was also from Jamaica and sometimes used her cellphone on the job, so ratgirl would not hire her LOL. But she was responsible, organized, loving, patient, and an experienced, skilled caregiver. She loved my children so much that it gave her actual pain to leave them after 5 years. She earned $49K on the books in her last year.

      Obviously this is a completely anomalous situation, only made possible by my high-paying job (Even after paying her it was still “worth it” for me to work. Not so much for DH, but that’s a different story.) and our frugal lifestyle. She deserved every penny of it, but later on when I ramped down my hours to spend more time at home and traded off salary accordingly, we couldn’t keep her on at that cost.

      Switching to daycare/aftercare has cut our costs more than in half but I worry about what that means our daycare teachers are being paid. In theory, pooling the payments of multiple parents should allow them to be better paid than a nanny, but I’m not sure. I’m uncomfortable with this idea that the most important and challenging job of raising our children is not well compensated while my totally stupid and pointless job in the business world earns so much.


      • 11:25 am January 6, 2011

      • L wrote:



    • TUcker, actually those are very good. I (along with several of our friends) just refinanced and the rate was 5.375%, no points or closing costs. Jumbo.

      Our clients don’t really care so much about the rates per se, it’s how the deduction matches up with their income. They talk more to their CPAs and financial planners about it than to us.


      • 11:28 am January 6, 2011

      • Tiffany wrote:



    • Yes, Childcare workers should be paid a lot more they are the most important people in a childs life other than that childs parents! It is one of the hardest yet most rewarding jobs!


      • 11:32 am January 6, 2011

      • SSM wrote:



    • Depends what you mean by child care. Do your mean good nursery school programs certified by NAEYC, daycare for infants in people’s homes or somewhere in between? What qualifications do the teachers or workers need? What are the goals of the program? How many hours a day? Are you including evaluations and interventions for children who have developmental lags?


      • 11:32 am January 6, 2011

      • ellieand theboys wrote:



    • L — in my experience the rate is determined by loan size — jumbo vs not — and there is no “sliding scale” increase in the rate the bigger the jumbo gets. However, I’d bet that there is some threshold at which there is an additional step-up in the rate, probably something like $2MM or $5MM. I look at mortgage rates regularly and based on my last look there was a 0.75% increase in the rate between a conforming loan vs a jumbo, all other features of the loan being equal.


      • 11:34 am January 6, 2011

      • Mary wrote:



    • I was actually getting certified to open a home based day care at one point but wound up taking another job. I have friends who have home based day cares and make VERY GOOD MONEY and get to stay home with their children. It depends on how motivated you are. I have friends who treat it like a hobby and make just enough to get by. At $6.00 an hour for each child if you took in 5 toddlers full time that is 64k a year. That is excellent money to be able to stay home with your child. I pay $200.00 a week right now for pt day care. which comes out to be over 9k a year. I’m putting my daughter into private pre-school at $4700.00 a year. I will cut my day care bill in half. Do the math. I think they are being paid very well. Those who work for them may not. Crunchy is the exception not the rule. I’m a single mother and make as much as her nanny was making. She is obviously in the higher end of the income bracket and is probably also drawing from her husbands income too but that is not a realistic scenario in my opinion.


      • 11:53 am January 6, 2011

      • A Child Care Center Operator wrote:



    • In a typical day a child care worker may and have experienced the following; greeting parents, preparing food, wiping noses and faces of one child at least 10 times during the day, diaper changing, hearing parental complaints, comforting sick children who should not be there but the parent gave the child medicine to mask the fever/symptoms, hearing parental praises, toilet training, teaching, plunging toilets, scrubbing toilets/bathrooms, disinfecting toys/equipment, scrubbing refrigerators, floors, microwaves, tables, chairs, walls, doors/knobs, comforting crying children, running and dancing with the children, walking around the playground to avoid the children getting hurt, finding time to use the bathroom, washing dishes, planning activities and art projects to keep little ones busy and learning, Directors/Lead Teachers completing 12 hrs of child care training every year, keeping our CPR/1st Aide renewed, keeping records updated, keeping up with licensing regulations that change very frequently, keeping ourselves from getting sick, etc. I could go on and on but I would be here all day. While working with children is very rewarding, there are a lot of issues and things we deal with throughout the day, every day. I can’t see myself doing anything else but with the economy the way it is has forced me as a business owner to work 13-14 hours a day just to hold on to the business I love. More than half of my staff have been with me for more than two years with some with me for 5 years. They get paid better than some in other centers but still not enough for what they deal with day after day. The center cannot afford to pay them anymore because tuition rates have not gone up in two years, in fact, I’ve been forced to lower them due to the economy. With tuition rates lowered, enrollment low, and prices going up, I think the government needs to step in and help. Yes, low income parents get help but what about the child care workers barely making their own bills? I’ve read one idea that I like and that is tax breaks for child care workers. Now that’s a great idea. As a child care worker if I received tax breaks, I would feel that the government is trying to help those workers that have a very special job to do. Even breaks for training classes, updating equipment, remodeling, etc. We are raising the future leaders of America. This is only my opinion but I needed to get it out.


      • 11:53 am January 6, 2011

      • Donna Bella wrote:



    • Please begin immediately by calling all of us Early Childhood Teachers, either Infant Teachers, Toddler Teachers, Preschool Teachers and drop the “workers”. There is so much to be said for how we perceive ourselves and how the community at large sees us. Begin there.


      • 12:18 pm January 6, 2011

      • Karen wrote:



    • I am a preschool teacher in NH with an Associates working on my Bachelors and I make $10.00. We do not have insurance of any lkind either.


      • 12:39 pm January 6, 2011

      • Gayle van dijk wrote:



    • It is a shame that salaries in the field are still so low. Current regulations are requiring that teachers in many child care programs raise their level of education to a Bachelor’s Degree. As a supervisor and an adjunct instructor I have encouraged teachers to return to school and get their degrees. Now there isn’t any additional funding to support their levels of education and experience. Many of them will leave the early childhood field altogether or go to the public school systems where the salaries are higher. The work in this field does have rewards but it won’t pay the rent!


      • 12:43 pm January 6, 2011

      • A lowly childcare worker wrote:



    • I am a head start teacher. I have been working with children in different settings for over 12 years. While my pay has increased, so has the workload and demands on me. Child care workers help the country run smoothly and give a boost to the education of the next generation. I am also a mother and find it very difficult to support my own children while teaching others. I wish “the powers that be” would get it! Education starts early and we are the ones who teach children to be well adjusted and know things like the letters in their name and how to work with others.


      • 12:48 pm January 6, 2011

      • 32 years in field wrote:



    • I believe one of the problems is that there is such a wide range of qualifications for the child care worker. I prefer the term early childhood educator. I hold a doctorate in child studies, a masters in early childhood and a pre-k-6th grade certification with an administrative endorsement. These qualifications put me on the same credential level as an assistant superintendent in the public school system. However a childcare director in Connecticut only needs 12 credits in early childhood at the undergraduate level, if that.

      I do make $90,000 a year which somewhat reflects my years of service, experience and knowledge base. Although, I am still put in the same category as all other childcare directors. The minimum for a teacher assistant where I work is an associate in ECE. At our last NAEYC accreditiation we received 10 out of 10 for rquired criteria and 10+ in 7 additional required criteria for also meeting emerging criteria. this was out of a total of 10. We make it work by writing additional grants and seeking alternative funding sources. We are nonprofit.


      • 12:50 pm January 6, 2011

      • Alice wrote:



    • I worked for Head Start for 30 years. I started as a home visitor before we had childcare centers. I became a teacher in our center and then became the director of our Early Head Start Center. The turnover was always a problem because of the low pay and the enormous responsibilities required of caregivers. It is one of the most demanding jobs one can imagine. I stayed because I loved it. Had I not had a husband who was the main source of our income, I would not have been able to. We lost many good caregivers because they could make more working fast-food places. We also had “paid childcare” along with our Head Start program so I know the cost to parents. People should be concerned about the low pay of caregivers in a daycare. Sometimes you get what you pay for.


      • 12:57 pm January 6, 2011

      • kaleberg wrote:



    • We need to automate some of this. The diaper changing robot’s time has come.


      • 1:08 pm January 6, 2011

      • Anonymous wrote:



    • Wow, I didn’t knwo the pay was so low. I would like to ask the childcare workers another question: What is the best attitude that parents can have and what is the worst? Also how can I show my gratitude for the work you guys do? I would love to hear from your perspective what is good and bad attitude from parents ( for my own education)

      Unfortunately for the overall question on how to pay more I am not sure how to answer - if they raise tuition too high parents will drop, plus I don’t know how the business model works really.


      • 1:09 pm January 6, 2011

      • ece wrote:



    • Research shows that the most important years of brain development occur within the first three years of life. Low quality care can actually hinder children’s development. The child care field for infants and toddlers needs to be seen as a profession that is just as important in society’s eyes as elementary school teachers. It is truly an investment in the future of society!


      • 1:12 pm January 6, 2011

      • Anne Kelly wrote:



    • Here is a letter that I wrote in April 2007 in response to the Reality of Life for Child Care Teachers and Directors of Child Care Centers. (Work Session for State Legislators Olympia, WA April 5, 2007)

      I am writing to you about the low subsidy rates that childcare centers receive from the State of Washington. The rates that the State pays are far below the cost to provide quality childcare. Quality childcare in large part is about hiring, and retaining educated early childhood professionals. This means a living wage, health benefits, and retirement. Then there are the added costs of maintaining the facility in a safe and secure manner.

      Approximately 77% of my budget goes towards staff compensation; the other 23% goes into operating expenses and maintenance. We charge a tuition rate that covers all of these costs. If the center I run takes one DSHS child we lose over $4000.00 per year per child. There is a HUGE disparity between what the State reimburses and what it TRULY costs us to provide high quality care for each child we serve.

      When I do take DSHS there is the added stress of the State not paying in a timely manner, there have been times that the State has been in arrears as much as 3 months. No one else that my center contracts is allowed this typf of egregious financial misconduct.

      Historically childcare professionals are low income and underpaid. In my opinion there is a direct dollar and cents correlation between the low subsidy reimbursement, low wages and high turnover when facilities take on very many DSHS students and their families. When early learning programs are rightly funded staff stay, children are happy, well cared for and in my opinion society as a whole is a better place.

      Thank you,

      Anne F. Kelly, Director Green Lake Preschool & Childcare Center Seattle Washington. Serving children and families since 1985.


      • 1:20 pm January 6, 2011

      • LStages wrote:



    • When I was looking for day care way back when, one of the first questions I asked was what the staff earned, and one of the reasons I chose the place I chose was that it paid the highest in the city, by a significant amount. Higher pay = employer of choice, happier staff, more qualified staff, less turnover = better for my kid. Of course, it was also the most expensive place in town, but oh well - there are plenty of other line items in my budget that I am prepared to decrease as much as I can; “kids” is not one of them.


      • 1:29 pm January 6, 2011

      • Anne Kelly wrote:



    • I forgot to add in my earlier comments, my staff turnover is very low as a result of what I am able to pay my staff. Several of my staff have stayed ten years or more. The average turnover in King County is 42% every six months, this is according to the Worthy Wage Task Force. Does society wonder why children have issues with abandonment, and trust? Think about it…every child deserves a healthy beginning…


      • 1:40 pm January 6, 2011

      • JMV wrote:



    • Somehow, in this country we have it backwards. It is easier (and far less expensive) to “build children than to repair men”. All of the brian research tells us that the most critical time for development is prenatal through about age 5—sure the brain continues to grow and develop but we need to think about the “input” from the very beginning. It was a different time when young children were home with families. As a family member we are deeply involved and care about the outcome. We share language and culture as well as family values and we taught those to our children (not baby goats). Now children are being cared for outside the home—in groups (imagine being one of 8 two-year olds with one teacher who is not mom-alll day long) (or imagine what it is like to be that teacher for 8 hours)—often by teachers and caregives that have different values, language, culture, traditions. The most critical part of the first 3 years is building a trusting caring, respectful relationship with one or two adults that meet the needs of the child in a way that teaches the child about the world they have now joined. Teachers of young children care and educate, every moment of the day and if it is done with the children as the focus, it is both enriching and exhausting. If we, as a country, want to see different results from our education system, we must think about the youngest of the children first.


      • 1:46 pm January 6, 2011

      • teacher/director/Mom wrote:



    • Interesting reading! SWVA needs to take another look at sending her only child to any “pay for” activity because she is bored and school is closed and you have to work. Thanks “Donna Bella” and “More than 32 years” for suggesting the term “teacher” for these professionals. I personally am horrified by the treatment of these professionals and often by the media. I did a little research recently to find out how much it would cost to put a dog in a kennel every day for 10 hours per day(the average stay in child care for a pre-school child). In our area (North Carolina) the cost of a kennel is within $20 of the cost of one week tuition for a child. NOW LET’S BE CLEAR…DO WE WANT TO EQUATE THE COST OF A KENNEL THAT CLOSELY WITH THE COST OF RAISING A CHILD? Parents have become accustomed to cheap, and sometimes lousy child care. There is no place for this in a quality society! It is too important a job to be done poorly! Yes, it should cost a lot of money and it should be respected and the teachers should be well compensated for the incredibly hard work that they do! If parents think that it is too expensive then they have the option of staying home…unless they are on public assistance…then they MUST work by “work first” rules. The children of these new age “welfare” families should be given the VERY BEST of care to help the new generation out of that poverty. OR, as used to be…the mothers should be given a small allowance to stay home and raise their children themselves. (Oh good grief, I can hear it now…”they’ll just stay home and have more babies”) The most wonderful comment that I heard from a father recently was that he wanted his children to stay home with his wife until they were three years old so that they could get the benefit of their mother’s wonderful personality and devotion. WHAT A MAN!


      • 2:13 pm January 6, 2011

      • Verda wrote:



    • Must be nice to make $9.73 an hour. I don’t think I even make $2.00 an hour.


      • 2:38 pm January 6, 2011

      • Megan Dillingham wrote:



    • The Michigan Child Care Union is currently in dispute. Only about 5,000 of Michigan’s child care providers actually got to vote, and even after forcing everyone to give dues, there is no actual representation by a union. Providers are essentially paying dues for no reason. Just in case you wanted to check that out. Yes, child care providers make lousy money, and now in Michigan, they are also being ripped off by the state thru this false “union”.


      • 2:58 pm January 6, 2011

      • sandnsea wrote:



    • ellieandtheboys said: “I think the idea that childcare is easy, even for a baby, is misguided. A fussy 3 month old can put someone who doesn’t have the experience or training to handle that situation over the edge pretty quickly. The older the kids get the more intellectually challenging it becomes.”

      Yes, that old idea that “anyone can do it” gets in the way of forward progress. I’ve interviewed infant teachers and directors and many of the directors will tell you that working with infants is some of the hardest work there is in early childhood. The babies can’t tell you what’s wrong with them when they cry, parents (especially first time parents) need a lot of TLC and it is just plain hard work. Yet funding for the teachers in the earliest years is the lowest in education, even though this is when the foundation for children’s language, self-regulation and trust in the world is established.

      The majority of infant/toddler teachers are working with no benefits for less than that $9.73/hr figure. And a lot of the training that is out there is not designed to address the specific needs of infant & toddler teachers.

      Anon 1:08, what the ECE teachers I know value most from parents is respect and honest communication, appreciation for the hard work teachers are doing. Yes, your child may occasionally get hurt in child care (it happens at home too, right?) but they are overall trying very hard to care for these little ones. Tell them about things that are going on in your child’s life that might influence how their day will go. Don’t send them in sick if you can help it. And most of all, advocate for higher quality care and supports for good ECE programs.

      Parents with attitudes & disrespect (toward teachers and children) probably are the ones that make the work hardest.


      • 3:05 pm January 6, 2011

      • JR wrote:



    • Sorry frequent lurker but you know not of what you speak. In the world of child care, pay does not relate to supply and demand. There is increasing demand for child care across this country. Use of center based care increased between 2006 and 2010 from 30% to 44%…without a concomitant increase in supply and certainly stagnant wages for early childhood teachers. And the notion that it does not take skill and training to work with infants and young children is preposterous. The most intensive brain development for human beings happens in the first 5 years of life. In smarter countries like France, there is a waiting list to get into college to become educated as an early childhood teacher and they pay living wages. In this country, most don’t require more than a HS diploma. Needless to say it is easy to see why our country is slipping in educational outcomes at every level. We don’t give children the foundation they deserve right from the start.

      Frequent lurker wrote: Sorry-but pay relates to demand and supply. Supply is driven by availability of skills. Since we are all of the same race it does not take a lot of skill and training to learn to look after our young-no matter the billion $ child rearing fear mongering industry would have you believe.

      So its never going to be a very highly paid occupation because at certain levels of pay hordes of people would be wiling to do it-creating a glut and reducing pay.


      • 3:16 pm January 6, 2011

      • Anonymous wrote:



    • “I have friends who treat it like a hobby and make just enough to get by. At $6.00 an hour for each child if you took in 5 toddlers full time that is 64k a year. ”

      Would really rather not have somebody taking care of my child as a hobby and as a way to stay home with their own children.


      • 3:19 pm January 6, 2011

      • Ollie wrote:



    • I have worked as childcare worker/teacher, I enjoyed working with kids but wages are still low and benefits were nonexistent . I don’t like it when people say ” Oh, your just a baby-sitter or anyone can do that ” What they don’t know to work in a preschool your have to 12-15 ECE each year to work in a center and most time the cost come’s out of your pocket as does the cost of materials for projects , if you work they older kids. Sometime even the money for the background check for the work card also comes out of your pocket . Working with kids is a hard job and not everyone can do it. As stated before ” Parents with attitudes & disrespect (toward teachers and children) probably are the ones that make the work hardest.”


      • 3:43 pm January 6, 2011

      • Allan Miller, Executive Director, Terri Lynne Lokoff Child Care Foundation wrote:



    • There’s a double-edged sword. We want child care workers to continue their education and professional development. At today’s pay scales, as soon as they achieve degree status, the allure of the pay and benefits in the public school system draws a big chunk of the most capable child care workers out of the child care system. If we can pay degreed child care workers the equivalent of their public school counterparts then the early education system will produce results that reduce the cost of public education. There will be reduced need for remedial and special education (the most costly of public school programs). Early intervention will be more effective because correctable developmental delay will be more easily diagnosed and treated appropriately.

      The research shows that children receiving high-quality early education perform better in school and in life. The payback in providing high-quality early education in low-income areas is, a

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